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	<title>Comments on: Religion: Friend or Foe?</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Vine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Vine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Bolton,

It is not the case that libertarians behave fraternally. Most seem to stand as lone warriors against the onslaught of socialism, precisely because we feel our individualist jurisprudence prohibits us from acting in concert with one another.

Religion has offered much to the cause of liberty through encouraging standards of behavior and law. The source of most religious struggle has not been conflict in doctrine, but rather clashing ideas about just conduct. Protestants distrusted Catholics because they feared the collectivist ethos that led the latter group toward unquestioning submission to the Pope. Generally, I&#039;m suggesting that the practices of religion are not to be discouraged, only the underlying ideological convictions need to be updated to meet the most advanced understanding of human rights – libertarianism – and that they need to be purged of their mythology.

If this was accomplished, the numerous marginal benefits of religion (common meeting houses, mutual trust, provision of social goods) could be harnessed to the benefit of the libertarian movement.

Thanks for your interest,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bolton,</p>
<p>It is not the case that libertarians behave fraternally. Most seem to stand as lone warriors against the onslaught of socialism, precisely because we feel our individualist jurisprudence prohibits us from acting in concert with one another.</p>
<p>Religion has offered much to the cause of liberty through encouraging standards of behavior and law. The source of most religious struggle has not been conflict in doctrine, but rather clashing ideas about just conduct. Protestants distrusted Catholics because they feared the collectivist ethos that led the latter group toward unquestioning submission to the Pope. Generally, I&#8217;m suggesting that the practices of religion are not to be discouraged, only the underlying ideological convictions need to be updated to meet the most advanced understanding of human rights – libertarianism – and that they need to be purged of their mythology.</p>
<p>If this was accomplished, the numerous marginal benefits of religion (common meeting houses, mutual trust, provision of social goods) could be harnessed to the benefit of the libertarian movement.</p>
<p>Thanks for your interest,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Craig J. Bolton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig J. Bolton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, but I don&#039;t have a clue what you&#039;re talking about. You take one aspect that is sometimes under some circumstances associated with religion and propose that a political ideology become a religion. Let&#039;s see, has that ever been done before. Oh, yah, that&#039;s right, it has. 

Toryism was a religion pretty much wherever it existed, at least in the perverted sense you are using the term religion. You know, the King is G_d, lets all band together against the King&#039;s enemies and hunt out heretics. One for all and all for one [except for those who prove not to be pure]. 

Maoism was a religion in this same sense.

And Naziism.

Most people today are anxious that existing religions don&#039;t become [yet again] religions for which men band together &quot;in blind faith,&quot; willing to do anything for the cause. And here you are advocating just that for libertarianism.

My take on &quot;American conservatism&quot; [now defunct] and libertarianism is exactly that they have failed and are now extinct or well on the way to extinction because they became obsessed with substituting slogans and nice sounding phrases [and &quot;solidarity&quot; against them there Leftists]  for critical thought. 

Arguably this started with Rand, who, as we all know, thought that she was the greatest philosopher and political/economic theorist in history [although she had read nothing in any of those fields], but it is almost universal today.

So despair not, libertaianism is going just as you propose. The Georgists have their little clubs in every major city. The Marxist Leninists are still around in their miniscule Party cults here and there. Even the Nazis have their rally of a couple of dozen people each year. And, I assure you, the advocates of each of those views are very very religious [in the sense you admire] and very very fraternal [well, except for the internal &quot;power&quot; struggles].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, but I don&#8217;t have a clue what you&#8217;re talking about. You take one aspect that is sometimes under some circumstances associated with religion and propose that a political ideology become a religion. Let&#8217;s see, has that ever been done before. Oh, yah, that&#8217;s right, it has. </p>
<p>Toryism was a religion pretty much wherever it existed, at least in the perverted sense you are using the term religion. You know, the King is G_d, lets all band together against the King&#8217;s enemies and hunt out heretics. One for all and all for one [except for those who prove not to be pure]. </p>
<p>Maoism was a religion in this same sense.</p>
<p>And Naziism.</p>
<p>Most people today are anxious that existing religions don&#8217;t become [yet again] religions for which men band together &#8220;in blind faith,&#8221; willing to do anything for the cause. And here you are advocating just that for libertarianism.</p>
<p>My take on &#8220;American conservatism&#8221; [now defunct] and libertarianism is exactly that they have failed and are now extinct or well on the way to extinction because they became obsessed with substituting slogans and nice sounding phrases [and "solidarity" against them there Leftists]  for critical thought. </p>
<p>Arguably this started with Rand, who, as we all know, thought that she was the greatest philosopher and political/economic theorist in history [although she had read nothing in any of those fields], but it is almost universal today.</p>
<p>So despair not, libertaianism is going just as you propose. The Georgists have their little clubs in every major city. The Marxist Leninists are still around in their miniscule Party cults here and there. Even the Nazis have their rally of a couple of dozen people each year. And, I assure you, the advocates of each of those views are very very religious [in the sense you admire] and very very fraternal [well, except for the internal "power" struggles].</p>
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